Crab Apple trees are beautiful pollinizers, valued as decorative trees for their lovely spring flowers, their tart fruit used mainly in jellies, or for apple cider and an orchard of them can be a fragrant and magical place in the spring. Crab Orchard was the name of a Township in early Mecklenburg County. It attained its name from an actual grove of Crab Trees that grew along the old Berryhill Road.
While Crab Apple trees are inarguably lovely, they can also be painful. The wilder, more natural varieties, have thorns, or spurs, that can be painful when they bite. In the decades before, and shortly after the turn of the century, the 1800 to 1900 century, they all had thorns.
While taking a magnified look at the life of Margaret Ella Honeycutt, a daughter of Maniza Honeycutt, and supposedly George Washington Cagle, of Stanly County, North Carolina, and the many men in her life, some in Clear Creek Township, and others in Crab Orchard, in Mecklenburg County, where her family had relocated, I came across a conglomerate group of families more entangled than shaken, not stirred, spaghetti.
It began with Jesse Saunders or Sanders, Ella's second husband. Jesse was much older than Ella, and she was his third wife. In fact, below is Jesse Sanders and his family in the 1860 census. At this time, they were located in Cabarrus County, near the town of Mount Pleasant, the census taker noted this section was a subdivision East of NC RR, which I take to mean the North Carolina Railroad. This is 1860, just before the Civil War. The railroad existed, but not yet in my neck of the woods in Stanly County, but I don't know how early it arrived in Cabarrus, so I am not entirely sure what "NC RR" meant.
Here, Jesse is 36 years old, his wife is Elizabeth and their first three children have been born. Jesse and Elizabeth will have four in total. Next to their young family is the Wiley Saunders or Sanders family, and Wiley is only two years older than Jesse. Two men, close in age, living next to each other. The first question to enter my mind is, are they brothers. I would seek to find out more about Wiley later, and that's where my fall down the rabbit hole began. But first, lets explore more closely what we know about Jesse.
So Jesse was a 36 year old man in 1860, with a family, and Ella wasn't even born yet, in fact, she wasn't in the 1870 census, either. Her first appearance was as an eight year old in the 1880 census, in Stanly County. We do know they were married in 1900, but not before they had two sons together, and was expecting a third child, who turned out to be their daughter, Mary. Their oldest son, whom they named Wylie D. G. Sanders, was born on January 24, 1895. Was this after his brother Wylie, perhaps? Wylie's birth suggests that Jesse had met Ella, who had moved to the Clear Creek section of Mecklenburg County with her mother and other siblings by this time.
Ella had met a dangerous, violent, crazy man, named James Alex Hagler, by whom she had a son, named Bub Alec Hagler, in 1891. Jesse seems to have taken her in and protected her. He raised her son as his own.
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he Charlotte ObserverCharlotte, North Carolina • he Charlotte ObserverCharlotte, North Carolina • Page 6. In May of 1894, Alex Hagler had gotten into a fight with Miller Sanders, seen incorrectly as "Sadders", above. Miller, or Millard, was the Stephen M. Sanders in the 1860 census, and I can only imagine he was defending his aging father. This is about the exact time Ella became pregnant with Wylie. Jesse would have been about 60, and Ella, already having been married once and the mother of two children, Della and Bub, was all of 17. Also mentioned in the article was Jesse's other son, Albert, and an action involving a MR Berryhill. Berryhill is another name to remember, as the congregate of families I will be looking into lived upon the Berryhill Road. So that gives a collective of three surnames to the Crab Orchard/ Clear Creek Clan: Sanders, Hagler, Berryhill. |
Jesse's military record of his service in the Mexican War gives the following information.
He was 21 years old, with blue eyes, fair (blonde) hair, with a 'ruddy', or reddish complexion. It stated he was born in Mecklenburg County, North Carolina, which is in opposition to his obituary. It could have been misunderstood by him to mean where he was living. He had enlisted on April 6, 1847, in Charlotte, by A. Harrison, in the 5th Regular Army. He was discharged on March 10, 1848, due to Debility. In the remarks, which seemed to describe where they were discharged, or how they were killed or injured, I can't decipher.
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The Charlotte Observer
Charlotte, North Carolina • Page 6 |
A later newspaper article clears up what the remarks may have claimed. As it is so faint, I will transcribe the part relating to Jesse Sanders. Titled "Survivors of the Mexican War" and subtitled "But Three Mecklenburg Veterans Survive This Conflict of More Than a Half Century Ago - The Unfortunate Story of Mr. Jesse Sanders".
"An Observer Reporter was talking with the genial Squire D. G. Maxwell yesterday........ Mr. Jesse Sanders, who now lives near Newell's, is the last of these aged citizens. There was no brave man nor more patriotic citizen than Mr. Sanders. His story is a very unfortunate one. At a camp near Matamoros (Mexico), he was taken with the most violent form of smallpox. It was necessary that he be removed and hence an ambulance was secured. As the wagon was moving off, the mules became frightened and ran away, throwing Mr. Sanders to the ground and severely injuring his back. He recovered from the smallpox with the loss of an eye. However, during the last half century he has been suffering with his back and has never recovered. Mr. Sanders draws a very comfortable pension from the government. While there are but three surviving veterans, still there are widows of these who participated in this struggle of long ago".
The article was published in 1905, a year before Jesse passed. Knowing of his injuries, and the over 40-year age difference between Jesse and Ella, one can only wonder if he took her in and married her as an act of kindness, and also who the true father of the three Sanders children born of Ella Honeycutt.
There are two documents that give a bit of a hint on who Jesse was, and where he came from. One was his marriage license to Ella Honeycutt. In this, she is seen by her married name of Yow, and her mother as 'Niza' Honeycutt. The date was June 28th, 1900. This was the year of the 1900 census, which was taken of them just a few days before the marriage. She had been living with Jesse as his housekeeper and had already had two Sanders children and was pregnant with the third.
I had to get a closer view of the document to attempt to transcribe the names of Jesse's parents.
His mother is clearly named as Sallie Sanders, a diminutive of Sarah. However, his father's name, which starts with a "J" is not as easy to deduce. Is it Joel? There doesn't appear to be an 'e'. Is it Josh? That last letter appears to be an 'l', not an 'h'. Honestly, it appears to be Jorl, which isn't a typical name in the English language.
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The Charlotte News
Charlotte, North Carolina • Page 4 |
The other document that provides insight is his obituary, dated Monday, October 1, 1906. Yes, the marriage was brief, the relationship, longer. The facts that stand out were where he lived, near Newell Station, and it claimed he was over 90, he was not. He had given his age as 69, just six years prior. He was said to have been a resident of Mecklenburg County for 45 years, which would place his move there at 1861. He was living in Cabarrus County in the 1860 census, which is the first one that I know was our Jesse, as there were more than one Jesse Sanders in the state at that time. It also states that he was born in Union County, which at the time he was born would have placed him in either Anson, or Mecklenburg County, as Union wasn't formed until 1842. He is portrayed as an interesting character, and a Mexican War Vet. His widow is not named, just noted, but she was Ella. Not named are her three children, that were supposedly his, and of his four adult children, only Eliza, (Mrs. Nick Yates), Albert, and Sarah, (Mrs. William Bird), are mentioned, meaning Miller/Millard/Willard had predeceased his father.
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The Charlotte Observer
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The last I found of Miller was his mention in a 1902 petition with his father, as "Willard". This gives Miller/Willard a death year of between 1902 and 1906.
Back to what we know about Jesse.
Jesse remarries in May of 1872 to a lady named Mary Bird. Actually, the name written in the mother's spot is Mary Bird, but the woman's name was indeed Mary. The document is so faded that the other names are impossible to make out.
Mary Byrd or Bird Sanders is living in the 1880 census, when she is shown as a 32 year old, giving her a birth year of around 1848. This is all I know about the second wife, her name, Mary Bird and her year of birth.
To add to the family names to be on the lookout for, the four children of Jesse Sanders and his wife, Elizabeth married into the following families:
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| Eliza Jane Sanders Yates |
Eliza Jane Sanders (1852-1930) married Nicodemus Yates.
Stephen Miller (Millard/Willard) Sanders (1855-1902) Never Married.
Albert Sanders (1857-1924) married Mary Jane Phillips.
Sarah A. Sanders (1859-1927 is) married William Henry Bird or Byrd.
Note that Jesse Sanders married a Mary Bird in 1872, who was deceased by 1900, and probably before he became involved with Ella Honeycutt Yow by at least 1894. Was there a relation between Mary Bird and William Henry Bird?
Especially of note is the wife of Albert Sanders, Mary Jane Phillips. She was the daughter of Henry and Esther Phillips. In my earlier post on Ella, Her Mother's Savage Daughter, it was noted that her insane lover, James Alex Hagler had been married to another daughter of this couple, named Harriett Phillips. This is the same fellow that Miller Sanders had fought with in 1894. Harriett had left Alex by then, as she was having two more sons, but not by Alex, but by a mysterious D C Taylor. Not only that, two of Alex's brothers had married Phillip's sisters. So, two more surnames to log into the Crab Orchard Collective, Byrd/Bird and Phillips. It's about time to look into the Phillips family.
The above shows the townships of Mecklenburg County. The City of Charlotte has nearly eaten the entire thing, but you can get an idea of where Crab Orchard sat in correlation with Clear Creek, where the Honeycutts settled, and how close they were to the Cabarrus County border.
The Phillips
1850 Union County
Henry Phillips raised his family in Union County. In 1850, Henry is a 37 year old farmer, whose birthplace is unknown. His 28 year old wife Esther, is from Union County, as was all seven of their children; Eliza, 12, Mary, 11, William S., 10, M. J. 9, S. C., 7, infant Isabella, and son, J. M. who lost his place in line. Henry's first wife was Esther Mullis Phillips, daughter of Solomon R. Mullis and his wife, Edith Griffin, and she passed away in 1852.
Henry remarried as men with young children often did, on August 1, 1853 to Mary Elizabeth Fincher.
Mary was the daughter of Elias Fincher and Marion West, and she is in my family tree, as I have Fincher ancestors.
The 1860 census shows Henry as 48 and Mary as 28. His son, John, by Esther, is the only one of his older children in the home and he and Mary have three already, Harriett, who would marry James Alex Hagler, Henry M. and Samuel A.
All in all, Henry and his second wife, Mary, will have 10 children, and these are primarily with whom we are concerned.
Henry Phillips children with Esther Mullis Phillips were:
Elizabeth "Eliza Phillips (1838-1919) Married William H. Aycock
Mary Phillips (1839-1863) Married Michael Bryant Harrell.
Monika Jane aka "Micky Jane" Phillips (1841-1901) Married Josiah Helms.
Sarah L Phillips (1843- between 1870-1880) Married Calvin Williams.
John Milton Phillips (1847-1917) Married Caroline Hinson
Isabella Phillips (1850- before 1860) appears to have died as a child.
Henry Phillips and Mary Elizabeth Fincher Phillips children were:
Harriett Edith Phillips (1855-1929) Married James Alexander Hagler first. Later relationship with D C Taylor and brief marriage to Harvey Barley/Barlow.
Henry Milton Phillips (1855-1934) Married Mary Isabella Haywood
Samuel Alexander Phillips (1858-1934) Married Carrie Elizabeth Biggers.
William Jackson Phillips (1840- before 1870) Married Adaline Helms. Injured in the Civil War, later died of wounds.
Celia Ann Phillips (1860-1945) Married Isaac Wilson "Wilkes" Hagler, a brother of James Alex Hagler.
Mary Jane Phillips (1863-1945) Married Albert Sanders.
Adaline Phillips (1868-1929) Married Daniel Rome Kepley.
Annie Emilissa Phillips (1869-1939) Married Michael Hokes "Mike" Hagler, a brother of the before mentioned Hagler's.
Barbara Phillips (1870-unknown) Appears to have died as a child or teen.
As one can see, there was a connection between the Hagler's and Sanders through the Phillips family, which is how Ella probably met them.
Henry Phillips dies in 1881, leaving Mary with all of those children.
Mary Fincher Phillips is found in 1900, boarding with a Cochran family. Her daughter, Adaline is boarding with her, with a one month old baby boy named Johnson Phillips.
1910
Her boys by DC Taylor, who remains a mystery, for the moment, have been bound out to work for neighbors.
They are seen as Hired boys, Edd and Brice Taylor, Edd 17 and Brice 15, working for families listed next to each other, about five households away from their mother. They will go by Taylor the rest of their lives.
So we're paying close attention to the following families now, Sanders, Taylor, Phillips, and to a lesser degree, Hagler and Berryhill.
Now, with that sample background on the Jesse Sanders family and their connections with the Phillips, Hagler and Taylor families, back to the question of Who Was Wylie Sanders, not Jesse's son, Wylie, but the one he lived next to in 1860, who was two years his senior.
Who Was Wylie Sanders?
Like Jesse, I have not confidentially located Wylie in the 1850 census, or any records prior to his appearance in the 1860 census of Cabarrus County. Taken on the 21st of June, 1860, Jesse is shown as 36 and Wylie as 38, side by side, in Mount Pleasant Post Office, in the "Subdivision of NC RR", of which description, I am not certain. In his household, besides himself was: Adeline P. age 38, which we can assume to be his wife. She is later seen as Emeline. Having seen the juxtaposition of these two names before in these old records, similar to Caroline and Camaline, and other names, I don't believe there was both an Adeline and an Emeline, but they referred to one woman. There was a 9 year-old boy, Wilson and one year old fraternal twins, Mary and Pinkney. Lastly, a 48 year old woman named Sarah Walls completed the household grouping. Both Jesse and Wylie are seen as Day Laborers.
Wylie makes a second appearance in the 1860 census. This time he was enumerated in the 'Western Section' of Cabarrus County, by a different census taker, and this was on June 2, 1860, a few weeks before he was enumerated with his family. This happened rather often in these old records. Many were missed, some were counted twice or more. Here, Wylie is working as a laborer on the farm of a Robert S. Query. Their neighbor, Wilson Bones, was working as a laborer on the railroad, so that shows that the railroad was indeed coming through those parts in this years. Of note, on the farm of Elam Query next to Robert is a 17 year old laborer named Obediah Walls, and above Elam, the household of a 27 year old William Walls and his wife, Adeline. Recall there was a Sarah Walls living with Wylie and his family.
| Name | Wiley Saunders |
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| Side | Confederate |
| Regiment State/Origin | North Carolina |
| Regiment | 42nd Regiment, North Carolina Infantry |
| Company | B |
| Rank In | Private |
| Rank Out | Private |
| Film Number | M230 roll 34 |
As time would have it and as was destiny for the time, Wiley Sanders or Saunders, enlisted in the Civil War. His record was not outstanding in any form, aside from its lack of extraordinariness, to be honest. He appeared at every roster, was neither sick nor injured, well into 1865, which was unusual in and of itself. Then late in the War, near its culmination, he was taken Prisoner at Fort Fisher and then transferred to Fort Delaware. Wylie may have made it home, but then again he may not have. There is no real record of what happened to him. Two facts remain.
Wylie had enlisted in Rowan County under Major George Gibbs.
In June of 1865, his wife, Emeline Sanders, a Housekeeper, was swearing her allegiance before a Provost Marshall, my guess, to apply for his pension, relief or other reasons, also in Rowan County.
As for Jesse, who had served in the Mexican War when he was younger, he appears to have registered for a Senior Reserve militia in Mecklenburg County, where I knew he had moved to.
While there were many Sanders or Saunders in the War, as the spellings were interchangeable, especially in the areas of Montgomery and Randolph Counties, and also in Franklin County, with a Jesse A. and Jesse H. in Montgomery, there was only one Jesse I have found in Mecklenburg, and that was the Jesse who married Ella Honeycutt. Jesse had named his oldest son with Ella, Wylie, and I believe he may have been the namesake of this Wylie.
Wylie Pinkney Sanders appears no more, except in the records of his children, from whom we learn that his middle name was Pinkney. So now we must switch over to Emeline.
As Wiley was enumerated twice in 1860, Emeline was also enumerated twice in 1870, which was a propitious occurrence, as it gives not one, but two glimpses into her life in those days.
On September 17, 1870, Emeline is shown living in Crab Orchard, in Mecklenburg County, with a Post Office in the town of Harrisburg, which was in Cabarrus. They seem to have been close to the County line.
| Name | Emeline Saunders |
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| Age in 1870 | 38 |
| Birth Date | abt 1832 |
| Birthplace | North Carolina |
| Dwelling Number | 97 |
| Home in 1870 | Crab Orchard, Mecklenburg, North Carolina |
| Race | White |
| Gender | Female |
| Post Office | Harrisburg |
| Occupation | Keeping House |
| Personal Estate Value | 45 |
| Inferred Children | Pinkney Saunders |
| Name | Age |
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| Emeline Saunders | 38 |
| Pinkney Saunders | 11 |
| Mary Saunders | 11 |
| Sarah Saunders | 3 |
| Sarah Walls | 55 |
| Burah Walls 20 |
Emeline is shown as a 38 year-old housekeeper, with her 11 year-old twins, Pinkney and Mary. She now has a three- year-old daughter, Sarah. Still in her home is Sarah Walls, 55, and now included is Sarah's son, Burah 20, which is quite fortunate, as I will explain momentarily. Sarah is listed as an invalid, while Burah is listed as a laborer.
Later, on September 20, same place, same channel, we're presented with a very different scenario. Next to a Mr. Pinkney Berryhill, who lived nest to an older, W. H. Berryhill, was the home of a 55 year old invalid widow named Sarah Berry and her 20 year old son, Burrell. Emeline Sanders is working as a laborer for Mrs. Berry. Next door, the twins, Pinkney and Mary, labeled as age 12 in this one, are picking cotton for Mary Waisner, age 45. Mary Waisner is a widow, with a 22 year old daughter named Ellen and a 17 year old daughter named Roxie. Also in the home is a 5 year old Sarah "Whiley", whom I believe could very well be the same child as 3 year old Sarah Sanders in the previous record. Ages were very fluid in these old records.
You might have noticed one character missing in this timeframe, that of Wylie's oldest son, Wilson Sanders. James Wilson Saunders is found in the same Township and same Post Office as the rest of his family, 9 pages over, working on the farm of Mr. William Carter. He's now 20, just above him is another Saunders, Francis, 23. Turns out just a few months prior, Wilson married Miss Francis Carter, so this is his wife. Also in the home of William and Jane is their widowed daughter, Sarah Carter Taylor, 27, and her children. They are living among a whole grove of Carters and Taylors. Now is where I turn my attention to another set of characters in this menage that were recently introduced, Sarah and Burah Walls and Mary Wasiner. First, the Walls.
We know that Sarah was living with Wylie and Emeline in 1860 and that Sarah and Burah were living with Emeline in 1870. Sarah was a very common name, but Burah wasn't and it was fortunate that Burah Mckee Walls had joined his mother in 1870, because then, I was able to locate the family quickly and easily.
Sarah Walls was the widow of a William Walls, with origins in Rowan and Cabarrus, before arriving in Mecklenburg. He was some relation to a Sterling, or Starling Walls, born about 1795, and a Lewis Martin Walls, born about 1815.
| Name | William Walls |
|---|---|
| Gender | Male |
| Race | White |
| Residence Age | 49 |
| Birth Date | abt 1801 |
| Birthplace | North Carolina |
| Residence Date | 1850 |
| Home in 1850 | Back Creek, Mecklenburg, North Carolina, USA |
| Occupation | Laborer |
| Industry | Industry Not Reported |
| Line Number | 42 |
| Dwelling Number | 1087 |
| Family Number | 1092 |
| Inferred Spouse | Sarah Walls |
| Inferred Child | Emeline Walls; Pleasant Walls; George Walls; Lanson Walls; Ann Walls; Wesley Walls |
| Name | Age |
|---|---|
| William Walls | 49 |
| Sarah Walls | 38 |
| Emeline Walls | 19 |
| Pleasant Walls | 15 |
| George Walls | 12 |
| Lanson Walls | 8 |
| Ann Walls | 5 |
| Wesley Walls | 4 |
| Kee McWalls | 1 |
| George Jorden | 32 |
Burah McKee Walls was the youngest child in the family, and as shown above in the 1850 census, Emeline was the oldest. Second born was William Pleasant Walls, who was shown in the 1860 census above Wylie Sanders when he was in the Robert Query household. Obediah Walls, on the same page, was the son of Lewis Walls. Lewis Walls married a Lucinda Jordan, whose brother, George, is seen in the William Walls household, above.
Burah McKee Walls, the key to unlocking this relationship, married a Mary C. Deaton Howard in Iredell County in 1874. They had one child, a daughter, and he died on 1898, at the age of 48, in Broughton Hospital, in Morganton, and is buried on the hospital grounds there. A brief bit of research on this family gives us the maiden name of Sarah Walls. She was a Saunders.
So now we have three older members of a Saunders/ Sanders family, Jesse, Wylie and Sarah. How do they relate, if they relate at all? But, back to Emeline and her children again.
Wylie evidently died prior to 1870, as his wife and children are alone, and he wasn't noted as passing away during the course of the war. How long did he live afterwards, though? Who was the little girl, Sarah? Had she been born just before or soon after he died? Or was she the child of someone else?
Emmaline in not seen after 1870, it appears she expired before 1880.
Their oldest child, son James Wilson Sanders, born about 1851, had married Francis Carter. There were no children born to that marriage. He then married Alice C Taylor, after Frances died in 1900. Alice was the daughter of Harvey Smith Taylor and Mary Ann Jordan. Another Taylor, and another Jordan, recall, Lewis M. Walls had also married into the Jordan family. What a soup! There were three children born into the Sanders-Taylor union: John Franklin Sanders in 1903, Annie Mae in 1905 and Leila Belle in 1906. Sadly, Alice died in 1909, Wilson followed in 1910, both buried at Hickory Grove, where a number of those previously mentioned are buried.
The children lived with relatives and in orphanages afterward.
The twins next, Mary and Pinkney both born in 1859. Mary M. Saunders married William Thomas Walker, son of Billy and Polly Freeman Walker on September 26, 1877. He had been previously married to an Elizabeth and had two children. Together, they had three more, Cora, Parks and one unknown. It appears Mary and Tom separated, but didn't divorce. She moved to Rock Hill, York, South Carolina, where she died on March 3, 1916, at age 57. Her husband died March 26, 1927 in Gaston County, NC
Pinkney Pleasant Saunders also married in 1877 to Mary Louisa Ingram, daughter of Frank Ingram. The family worked in textiles and moved from Crab Orchard, Mecklenburg to Ebenezer in York County, SC. They had seven children between 1879 and 1897; Emma, Pinkney, Mary, John, Will, Jesse Walker and Archie.
Pinkney Pleasant Saunders died on September 5, 1938, in Rock Hill, York, South Carolina at the age of 79.
As for the little girl, Sarah, born in 1867, no more of her is known. Was she Emeline and Wylie's child, or Emeline and someone else's, or no relationship at all? Was she a Saunders, a While or a Whitley?
Mary Waisner
The next person I wish to scrutinize is Mary Waisner. As shown earlier, in 1870, she was a 45 year old widow, with two daughters, Ellen and Roxie, who had the Saunders twins, at 12, Mary and Pinkney, picking cotton, and living with her, while their mother, Emeline was occupied next door at Sarah Berry's. She also had a five year old Sarah 'Whiley' in her household.
Going back a decade, before the appearance of Mary and her daughters in Crab Orchard, she is found in the Eastern Division of Mecklenburg, in 1860, which was probably the same place she was in ten years later. Her husband, David Waisner, is still alive in 1860. There was a David Waisner who served in the Civil War, who signed up in Greensboro. I am not inclined to believe they are the same man as Mary's David was born in 1802, making him a little long-in-the-tooth. Ellen has been born, but Roxie has not, and there is a one-year-old son, John, who appears to have died as a child.
Ellen marries John A. Adams in 1875 and in the 1880 census, they all appear to be living in the same place, and all along Berryhill Road.
Mary and Roxie are listed in household 148, Ellen and her husband are in 149, and in 151 is the Henry Taylor family that there's much intermarriage with over two or three generations. As an aside, Mary Huck, who was just below them in 1870, is just above them in 1880, so they were along Berryhill Road the entire time.
Mary isn't seen after 1880, and her burial place is unknown, but very possibly she was interred at Hickory Grove in an unmarked, or no longer marked, grave. Her daughter, Roxanna Waisner, never marries, and lives with her sister's family until she passes away at the age of 67 on December 19, 1921, into the realm of birth certificates.
Roxie's death certificate gives the name of her parents as David Waisner and Mary Sanders. ANOTHER Sanders.
The informant was J. F. Waisner and she was buried, unsurprisingly, at Hickory Grove. So who was J. F. Waisner? John Frank Waisner was the son of John D. Waisner and Mary Jane Clark. He grew up in Paw Creek in Mecklenburg County, born around 1853. I get the feeling he was probably Roxie's cousin on her father's side, though I've not researched the Waisner's deeply enough to be certain of that.
I jumped a little bit ahead with that, revealing Roxie's death certificate. There were more surprises and connections.
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