Friday, December 1, 2023

No Tears for Annis


Woman with Her Hand over her Mouth by Edgar Degas

Annis was a popular name among the Ramsey family of Burnsville Township, Anson County, North Carolina, that also spread into the surrounding counties of Stanly, Union, Richmond and even Cabarrus. For this reason, it was a arduous task to track down one particularly elusive and inconspicuous Annis. 

For instance, there was Annis, born about 1841, daughter of Holden Ramsey and wife, Mary "Polly" Broadway Ramsey. Next was Annis Ramsey (1848 - 1915), daughter of  Robert Ramsey and wife, Margaret Mullis Ramsey, who married James Ingram Williams. Then there was Annis Ledbetter, daughter of  William Johnson Ledbetter and Nelly Wall Ledbetter, who married Harbard/ Harbart Ramsey , and her daughter, Annis J. Ramsey Jr. born about 1859. 

The Annis Ramsey born in 1841, 1848 and 1859 were all cousins. The name was so common amongst the descendants of partriarch Stark Ramsey that one wonders if there could have been a matriarch named Annis somewhere up the family line. While Stark Ramsey's last wife was named 'Lisha', his oldest sons were not likely to have been the sons of Lisha, as she was only 8 or 10 years older than they were, suggesting Stark had an earlier marriage with an older wife, more his own age. Annis Jr, daughter of Harborn was also probably a great granddaughter and of course, her mother was also Annis. Harborn died in the Civil War, and his paperwork stated he was born in Stanly County, not Anson. Samuel Ramsey was the son of Stark Ramsey to cross the county line into Stanly, so Harborn was probably his son. Still, I wonder if there was a grandmother Annis in the family tree.

There were actually several other women named Annis around Burnsville, Anson County and across the county line into the nearby communities of New Salem and Olive Branch, though it seemed central to this area. While one can be found here and there, it seems to have been a trend in this area. There was an older Annis Thomas and an Annis Broadaway, and others, I am sure. Did they have a common origin? 

The one Annis I want to focus on was the one born in 1859. She was the one born to Harbard Ramsey, also seen as Hubert, or any random spelling of Harbard, even Hubbard. Her mother was also an Annis, having been born as Annis Ledbetter, a name they also inferred as 'Lineberry'. Does that make sense? Not really, but it stood where it stood.  She is seen above, in this clip from the 1850 census of Burnsville Township, the Ramsey family hub and center.  Here, she is called "Annis Jr.". This particular family was really good at  escaping detection in records, but I was able to track them down anyway. 

Harbard/ Harborn/Hubert,  was probably named for his Uncle who was saddled with the same confusion and moved to Mississippi via Georgia, Hubbard Ramsey (1812 -1882) who married Priscilla *Allen. (*Her maiden is speculated, and has not been proven.). To make things simple, I will just refer to him henceforth as Harborn.

NameHarborn Ramsey
Enlistment Age24
Birth Dateabt 1838
Enlistment Date15 May 1862
Enlistment PlaceRowan County, North Carolina
Enlistment RankPrivate
Muster Date1 Feb 1862
Muster PlaceNorth Carolina
Muster CompanyC
Muster Regiment42nd Infantry
Muster Regiment TypeInfantry
Muster InformationEnlisted
Side of WarConfederacy
Residence PlaceStanly County, North Carolina
TitleNorth Carolina Troops 1861-65, A Roster


On May 15, 1862, Harbard enlisted in the Co. C 42nd Infantry of the Confederate Army. He never returned, leaving wife Annis Ledbetter Ramsey, a widow with three children. Not one of them could be found in the 1870 census, which was not an unusual occurence. I believe that recently after the War, things and folks in the South were still in a bit of shambles. 1870 seems a bit unorganized and hastily done. It was the first in which the freedpeoples were enumerated in their own households, which increased the counted population exponentially. However, things point to the survivors of Harborn Ramsey, whatever may have befallen him, were probably still in the community, either in Burnsville in Anson County near the Ledbetters, or near their grandparents, the Samuel and Rebecca family in Stanly County.

Older sister, Elizabeth Ramsey, aka 'Betty', married William Riley Voncannon in December of 1874 in Ansonville.

Older brother James Pinkney Ramsey married Martha A. Howell in April of 1875 in Burnsville. 

William and Bettie Ramsey Voncannon in their later years.

Annis Jr. never married, and in the 1880 census, the probable reason is revealed.

NameAnna Ramsay
Birth DateAbt 1862
BirthplaceNorth Carolina
Home in 1880Burnsville, Anson, North Carolina, USA
Dwelling Number160
Marital StatusSingle
Father's BirthplaceNorth Carolina
Mother's BirthplaceNorth Carolina
OccupationFarm Hand
Months Not Employed3
Deaf and DumbYes
Cannot ReadYes
Cannot WriteYes
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With her siblings married and beginning their own families in 1880, young Annis is working as a farmhand for David and Martha Carpenter, a childless couple in their thirties. It is revealed by the census taker that Anna is 'deaf and dumb', she can work, but not able to hear nor speak. 

The Messenger and Intelligencer

Wadesboro, North Carolina • Page 4

Annis and her mother of the same name will escape records for a number of years, but the local papers would reveal that as a widow and her handicapped daughter, they were living off a public stipend. $6.00 was not much, even in 1890.

The Messenger and Intelligencer

Wadesboro, North Carolina • Page 4

They appeared in the list of Paupers for Anson County for a number of years.

The Messenger and Intelligencer

Wadesboro, North Carolina • Page 4

They recieved $4.50 in 1892 through 1894, and would eventually move to Richmond County, where Annis's brother, James Pinkney Ramsey lived. 

Annis Sr. is found living in the home of Pink and his family in 1900, but not Annis Jr. The above list of those recieving support in 1899 in Richmond County, just a year prior, lists only one Annis Ramsey. Was it mother or daughter who only recieved $3.00 that year?

NameAnnie Ramsey
Age in 191026
Birth Date1854
BirthplaceNorth Carolina
Home in 1910Lincolnton Ward 3, Lincoln, North Carolina, USA
Sheet Number22b
StreetAspen Street
Relation to Head of HouseAssistant
Marital StatusSingle
Father's BirthplaceNorth Carolina
Mother's BirthplaceNorth Carolina
Native TongueEnglish
OccupationTrained Nurse
Employer, Employee or OtherWage Earner
Able to readY
Able to WriteY
Enumeration District Number0072
Out of WorkN
Number of Weeks Out of Work0
Enumerated Year1910
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Household members
Mary C Burgin62
Mattie Burgin27
Harris Burgin24
Kate Burgin22
Winslow D Burgin20
Radiant Sistare30
Rose Finger22
Mary Limberger27
Annie Ramsey51
Pearl Williams22

Annis Sr. is last seen in any record in 1905, and it is unknown when she passed away. But did Annis Jr. go to school eventually and learn to become a nurse? I can't find another Annis, or Annie, as they were sometimes called, that could have been the above Annie 

Paul Evans

What occurred between the years the deaf-mute Annis was working as a farm hand, and the next stage of her life, we do not know, we only know that she was alive. Then there were the reports in the newspaper of "Annis Ramsey and her daughter" recieving support from the county. There were six of these, total, between 1890 and 1899, the first five in Anson County and the last in Richmond. As the other sister, Betty, lived in RAndolph County, it appaers they lived on their own for a term, and then moved to Richomond to be near the only son, James Pinkney Ramsey.

Rockingham Post-Dispatch

Rockingham, North Carolina • Page 2

And then there was one. The July 11, 1918 editon of the Rockingham Post-Dispatch of Richmond County reported the conditions of the County Home, an institution that had been established to house the sick and destitute.A church group called 'The Kings Daughters' had visited them recently and regularly, provided entertainment at times, 'served them with cke and ice cream and  and entertained them with music from a victrola". A brief historty of the home was given in the article. It had been established in 1851, when the Court of Pleas and Quarters ordered that the Board of Wardons were to purchase a tract of land within five miles of Rockingham, but not closer than one and a half miles, (the upper crust of Rockingham would not want to have to view the place from their lovely abodes, of course), for the purpose of erecting buildings for the aged and infirm of the couny. Soon, 132 acres two miles east of the city was purchased and the County Home erected. In 1870, three acres ofthe property was sold the the Great Falls Manufacturing Company to use for a resevoir, to store water against a drought.

In the beginning, the Superintendant was paid a certain amout of money for each resident. Afterwards, the staff of the Home were paid salaries and the expenses of the residents, of inmates, as they were called, was covered by the county. In 1916, the old farm and buildings were determined to be inadequate, and a new Couny Home was constructed on 30 acres, about a mile from the original, in 1917. The building was segregated by gender and race. There were two dining rooms, one for white residents on the west, and another for non-white residents on the east, with the kitchen in the middle. The upper story was for housing of the superintendents family. The west wing of the building housed white residents, with women in the front and men in the back. The east wing housed the non-white residents in the same manner. The buildings had modern heat and plumbing at a time when many farm families still had no indoor plumbing. There was a barn and a farm on the property that helped supply the food. In 1918, the home had 23 residents. One of them was Annis 'Annie' Ramsey, aged 58. This was daughter, not mother.

The Richmond Couny Home for the Aged and Infirm in 1918 from the above article. Annis would have lived in the front facing building on the left.

The Anglo-Saxon

Rockingham, North Carolina • Page 3

In the above report of county expenses, we see Annis Ramsey listed as recieving support of $3.00 in the top left column and Annie Ramsey as recieving support in the bottom right column. Annis must have applied to the mother and Annie to the daughter, as I have seen her as Annie and Annis.

NameAnna Ramsby
Birth Yearabt 1860
BirthplaceNorth Carolina
Home in 1920Rockingham, Richmond, North Carolina
Residence Date1920
Marital StatusSingle
Father's BirthplaceNorth Carolina
Mother's BirthplaceNorth Carolina
Able to Speak EnglishYes
Able to WriteNo
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Household members
Thomas Cherry35
Sarah Cherry34
Mary Sanford68
Tom Ussery53
William Yates53
Elijah Chance61
H T Swift56
E B Lowe78
Sarah Jacobs59
Anna Ramsby60
Emeline Freeman74
Mary Jane Wright70
Phoebe Green82
Leak Rashel72
Margeret Gibson70
Geary Dockery54
Dosia Mcnair30
Wells Bostick95
Mary Bostick85
Charlie Capel75

There's no surprise that Annis Ramsey Jr. shows up in the County Home in 1920. This has become her life. Whatever the good citizens of Richmond County decided their elderly and handicapped community should have, is what Annis was subject to. This is where she spent the remainder of her life.

NameAnn Ramsey
Birth Yearabt 1860
Age in 193070
BirthplaceNorth Carolina
Marital StatusSingle
Relation to Head of HouseInmate
Home in 1930Rockingham, Richmond, North Carolina, USA
Map of HomeRockingham,Richmond,North Carolina
InstitutionRichmond County Home lines 16 37 inc
House Number105
Dwelling Number1
Family Number1
Radio SetYes
Lives on FarmNo
Attended SchoolNo
Able to Read and WriteNo
Father's BirthplaceNorth Carolina
Mother's BirthplaceNorth Carolina
Able to Speak EnglishYes
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Household members
Samuel F Key38
Thelma Key32
Frank Key7
Hilda Key5
Lafon Key3
Ann Ramsey70
Zula Farmer62
Maud Freeman32
Jane Garrett56
George Russell20
Bill Yeates68
Milton Gibson50
W R Mcquage78
John W Mcqueen80
Daniel Hafell54
Henry Brown58
William W Brock82
Will Shepperd58
Dan Mcaskill40
Allice Utsey50
Lucy Hinch55
Louisa Wall110
Lucy Gibson60
Tammie Carmichael48
Jim Fairley60

By 1930, Annis was truly elderly and ailing, in addition to being a deaf-mute. The Key family was now running the home, and Annis, 70, would not have much more time to suffer.

Annis J Ramsey Jr. died on August 23, 1930 of mitral regurgitation. Mr. Key, County Home Superintendant, was the informant and knew little to nothing about her. He guessed her age as 69, with a birth year of 1861, followed by a Quesiton Mark. As she appeared as an infant in the 1860 census, her age was more likley 70 or 71. She was buried at the County Home Cemetery, although there is no marker or memorial. I have added a Memorial on Find-A-Grave to this distant cousin of mine, using the information on her Death Certificate that she is buried there.

The cemetery is now abandoned, and is said to be located on County Home road near a Radio Station tower. The County Home Road runs beside a modern hospital. A man whose father was the Superintendant during the 1920's, and who was born there, a Mr. McLean, recalled walking to the cemetery as a child. There is currently no clear access, as if everyone was forgotten.

There were no tears for Annis as she seems to have passed into obscurity. Rest in Peace and may there be no more silence for Annis as a Child of God , she's been made whole.

Friday, November 10, 2023

West of the Sunrise

Oftentimes, old records can't be taken at face value. Possibilities and probabilities are just that. 

The Drury Allen Family Cemetery is ancient to say the least. Located northeast of the relic of the town of Burnsville, south of the Rocky River, and west of Cribs Creek, the old, abandoned collection of crumbling fieldstones and one modern monument to the Virginia pioneer by Allen descendants, sits quietly in a wooded lot, surrounded by verdant meadows and softly rolling hills in the Anson County, NC countryside. Many of the graves hold unknown Allen family members, but among the few that are preserved are that of Drury Allen Sr., who was born in Lunenburg County, Virginia and moved with many others of the massive Allen family to an area along the Rocky River in the years after the Revolutionary War. He died in 1823 in Anson County, NC, and was buried on the Allen Plantation in this cemetery that still grasps for existence. His wife, Elenor Jarrett Allen (1750-1845), is also buried there, along with son John Allen, (1788-1857). Among the crooked rows of bent and chipped stones and sunken tombs is the grave of  'Elviny' Ramsey, who holds the key to a Ramsey mystery that, once you sit down and pull it apart and look at objectively, was not a mystery at all. 

Allen Cemetery photo taken by Rick Philemon from Find-A-Grave

John Allen, son of Drury, was born around 1788 and first appears in the 1820 census of Anson County in the area called 'Staton'. The Staton family was known to live in the northern part of the county around Burnsville.

NameJohn Allen
Enumeration Date7 Aug 1820
Home in 1820 (City, County, State)Staton, Anson, North Carolina, USA
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 251
Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over1
Free White Persons - Females - 16 thru 251
Foreigners not Naturalized1
Free White Persons - Over 251
Total Free White Persons3
Total All Persons - White, Slaves, Colored, Other3
He was the head of a family of 3 people, one man over 45, one man between 16 and 25 and a female of the same age. Oddly, John would have been 32, so which one he was is indetectable.

NameJohn Allen
Home in 1830 (City, County, State)Anson, North Carolina
Free White Persons - Males - Under 51 Drury
Free White Persons - Males - 40 thru 491 John
Free White Persons - Females - Under 51 Frances
Free White Persons - Females - 5 thru 9Nelly &  Polly jr.
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 142 Nancy, Sarah
Free White Persons - Females - 15 thru 192 Elizabeth, Judith
Free White Persons - Females - 40 thru 491 Polly
Free White Persons - Under 208
Free White Persons - 20 thru 492
Total Free White Persons10
Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored)10

In 10 years, his household had increased to that of 10 people. John's wife was named Mary and called Polly. Her surname is also given as Allen before and after marriage. I've not studied the Allen family, or this branch of it close enough to give an opinion as to the validity of that. I am a descendant of Mark Allen of Allenton in near the forks of the Pee Dee and Rocky Rivers. He was living near Robert Allen, William Broadway and George Turner.

John and Polly became the parents of a wealth of daughters. It appears not all of them lived to grow up, even though they have seven daughters showing here in 1820.

NameJohn Allen
Home in 1840 (City, County, State)Anson, North Carolina
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 141 James
Free White Persons - Males - 15 thru 192 Drury 
Free White Persons - Males - 40 thru 491 John
Free White Persons - Females - Under 52 Unknown
Free White Persons - Females - 5 thru 91 Elvina
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 141 Nelly
Free White Persons - Females - 30 thru 391
Slaves - Males - 10 thru 231
Persons Employed in Agriculture4
No. White Persons over 20 Who Cannot Read and Write2
Free White Persons - Under 207
Free White Persons - 20 thru 492
Total Free White Persons9
Total Slaves1
Total All Persons - Free White, Free Colored, Slaves10

In 1840, his household stands at 10, but the dynamics have changed. Some of his older children are on their own and he has added another son, James. He also has among his household an enslaved young man, between 10 and 23 years old, something he had not done until this point.

John's last census will be the 1850 one, and in this one, we get to see the full view of his current household. John and wife Mary are both 58. Very few of their daughters have married. Still in the home are Sarah,37, Elizabeth, 35, Milly 32, Judith 30, Fanny 28, and Elvina 23. All, except possibly the youngest would be considered "Old Maids" by then. The next three households are those of his married children, probably living on John's property. Lucinda, 22, married James Mills. Drury, his oldest son married Rowena    . Daughter Nancy, 32, married Thomas Avitt.

John would pass away on March 26, 1857. He was buried in his father's family cemetery. He left no will, but there exists a probate file on the dispersion of his property, with James Broadway as his administrator, dated May of 1857. Most of the property was retained, or purchased by, his widow, Mary, his three sons, Drury, Robert H. and James Allen, his son-in-laws, his many single daughters and a few neighbors.. My 4th Great Uncle, John E. Davis, and his father-in-law, Uriah Staton, also helped with the division as they were among the neighboring citizens of Burnsville.

A few odd land records survived documenting the further division of the property, although some were obviously missing. There were so many Allens, many of them with the same first names, in Anson, Stanly, Union and Montgomery Counties, that John is sometimes seen as "John of Cribbs Creek". This may have occured after the death of his father by means of a particular deed from Anson County, found in Book X Page 449, dated December 29th, 1830, between Elenor Allen, mother of John and widow of Drury Sr., and John of Cribs Creek. 

"Eleanor Allen and others to John Allen"

"Nelly Allen the widow of Drury Allen deceased and Julius Allen   Thomas Allen  Jeremiah Smith and Susanna his wife David Allen  Benjamin Allen Phillip Kiker and Nancy his wife John Edwards and Sarah his wife and William Allen" all sold their shares to a property on Cribs Creek that crossed Jonathans Branch and bordered the properties of Robert Allen and Darling Allen, brothers of Drury, if I am not mistaken, and that of the Brantleys, containing 236 acres, and witnessed by James Smith and George Turner, and signed by Nelly Allen, widow, and all of John's siblings and his sisters husbands, as was the tradition, or law, in those days; David, Benjamin, Julius, Thomas and William Allen, Nancy Allen Kiker and Phillip, Sarah Allen Edwards and John and Susannah Allen Smith and Jeremiah.

Three years later, Mary Allen Allen, widow of John, is shown in the 1860 census as Proprietress of the farm, with her two younger sons, Robert H. and William James. 25 and 20, respectively, helping her, and all of her single daughters, Sarah, 40, Elizabeth, 38, Nelly, 36, Fanny, 34 and Elvina, 30. Daughter Judith, named for Mary's mother, Judith Nance Allen, died young and her tombstone is partially still standing in her grandfather's family cemetery. This is a good spot to mention that John and Mary were cousins, which may partially explain all of the unmarried children. It was a very insular family.

In Anson County Deed Book 17, Page 262, the 11th of December 1869, Thomas Avitt and his wife, Nancy Allen Avitt, sells to her oldest brother, Drury, their properties in Anson County, including Nancy's share of her parents properties. Mary Allen Allen has now passed away, on April 15, 1869, and was buried with John.

Also in the interim between John's death in 1857 and Mary's in 1869, occurred the Civil War, which left no family unharmed, and had resultd in the deaths of both of the younger Allen sons.

Robert H. Allen had enlisted at age 31 on May 9, 1862 in Wadesoboro, as a Private in Company I, 43 Infantry. He was imprisoned in Petersburg, Virginia in April of 1865, having fought and surviving for 3 years, and died in prison on Hart's Island, New York, on June 12, 1865 of disease, so close to being released to go home.

James Allen, the youngest child, enlisted at the same time and in the same company as his brother, Robert. He was 26 at the time and was wounded in June of 1864 at Farmville, Virginia. He died of his wounds and is buried in Winchester, Virginia.

In Anson County, NC,  Deed Book 7, Page 696, on March 26, 1873, a deed is incorrectly headed, "Drury Edwards and wife to Sarah Allen, Fanny Allen and Elendar Allen". However, in the body of the document, it names Durwery Allen and wife Roena of Stanly County to Sarah Allen, Fanny Allen and Elendar Allen of Anson County, his share of the undivided interest of his (their) father's estate on Cribs Creek.

Drury had married Rowena (Roena) Baucom and they had four children together. He was shown in the 1860 census as a Miller and living in Stanly County, on the other side of the Rocky River. In 1870, he is still shown as a Miller, but in Anson County again. He passes away in 1877 and was buried at Rocky Mount Church in Anson. Rowena outlived him by several decades and died in 1900.

1870 is where the big confusion came in that prompted me to create a post to straighten it out. The above excerpt shows Drury Allen, Miller, with his wife, Roena and three of his children, one already married. A 12 year old named Jackson Ramsey is living with them. The next house seems to be a 15 year old girl named Charlotte Bennett living alone. After that is the household of 21 year old William R. Ramsey with Melvina, 34, Adam, 16, Sarah, 52, Nella, 48, and Frances, 47, all under the heading of Ramsey. 

Before anymore commentary, let's jump ahead another decade, to 1880.

In the above excerpt from the 1880 census for Burnsville, Anson County, NC, we see William Ramsey again, now age given as 35. The advantage of the 1880 is that now, relationship to head of household is given for the first time. We see Melvina again, now 46, still a good deal older than William and relationship is given as wife. A teenager named Marshall is given as brother. There's Sarah, 66 and Fanny, 57, both given as sister-in-laws. 

The Ramsey family is in my family tree. I descend from Starkey Ramsey and so did William R. Ramsey. William Reuben Ramsey and his younger brothers Jackson Columbus Ramsey and Marshall Adam Ramsey were all three of the younger children of James and Obedience "Biddy" Ledbetter Ramsey, who also lived in the small Burnsville Township. In fact, below is the listing for their family in 1860.

James Ramsey was one of the younger sons of Stark Ramsey and brother to my third Great Grandfather Samuel Ramsey. 

Biddy isn't seen after 1860 and James served in the Civil War. Born about 1820, he was an older soldier. He was sick several times during his service and made it home on leave at least twice. It appears he may have made it back to Anson County after the war was over, but weak, ill, and suffering from rheumatism, passed away soon after the war. 

William R Ramsey would have been 20 in 1869, the year Elvina Allen inherited a little portion of land from her fathers considerable estate after the death of her mother, Mary. William seems to have been one of a number of young opportunists that I've seen from this era. There were 4 single Allen sisters after the death of Mary. We know Judith passed away already because of her tombstone. Elizabeth doesn't appear to have made it to 1870. That left Sarah, Frances, nicknamed Fanny, Eleanor, nicknamed Nelly or Nella and Elvina, whose name seems to have morphed into Melvina. 

William R Ramsey married the youngest of the single Allen sisters, Elvina aka Melvina, about 1869.  As he was born about 1849, and she about 1834, she was 15 years his senior. Still, he did his duty. In 1870, he was guardian of his little brother, Marshall Adam Ramsey, while Jackson worked for his brother-in-law, Drury. Jackson remained as a field hand helping Roena after Drurys death.

William also seems to have taken care of Melvina's older sisters. Sarah, Frances (Fanny), and Eleanor (Nelly), were not Ramseys, but Allens. Drury had transferred property to the three of them in 1873, but only Sarah and Fanny remained in 1880, so Eleanor must have died between 1873 and 1880.

Melvina Elvina Allen Ramsey, passed away, herself, on November 11, 1897. She was buried in the family plot with her parents and grandparents. Neither Sarah or Fanny appear to have to survived to see the new century, either. They, along with Nelly Allen, were probably buried in the family cemetery, too, but their graves are now unmarked.
William and Melvina had one child, Willie, born into her advancing age. We could not have known about him except for his tombstone, as he was born in 1880, after the census was taken. William R. Ramsey had joined Red Hill Baptist Church. The tombstone there in his family row declares Willie, born October 19,1880, and died October 22,1901, as the son of W. R. and Lucinda Ramsey, and certainly she raised him, but Willie would have had to have been Melvina's only child and was lost as he entered adulthood.

William R. Ramsey did remarry, to Lucinda Sykes about 1899.

The 1900 census tells us that they had been married for 1 year and the 1910, for 11.  The 1910 census shows that Lucinda gave William two daughters, Luzie and Hattie. The cemetery tells us they also had a son, Johnny Ray, born in 1900, who died as an infant. 
William R Ramsey died in 1914 of apoplexy at age 65. His widow remarried to Elijah Henry Chewning, who helped raise the two daughters. Lucinda lived until 1939. Luzie married Lonnie John Porter and lived until 1969. Hattie married her stepbrother, Charlie Chewning and lived until 1976.

Stark Ramsey only had one known daughter, Harriett, who married Jackson Trull of the New Salem community. The family trees who have Sarah, Frances and Nella as daughters of Stark and Lisha Ramsey are incorrect. They were the Allen sisters, sister-in -laws of William R. Ramsey, not his Aunt's.