Showing posts with label Rev. William fincher. Union County. Show all posts
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Thursday, December 1, 2022

Seventy Dollars and a Horse

A wide variety of professions are found among the branches of my family tree, with farming being the most common, which I believe speaks for most searchers of ancestors past. Second place in my case I find a little odd. There were a large number of men if the cloth in my lineage, one, I've not made much mention of, the Reverend William Fincher.








I may never have found out about Rev. Fincher had it not been for a distant cousin who found him first. This distant kin is a walking, talking Encyclopedia Britannica of history, and family history within its realm, to beat.

I had found out quite a bit of information on my second Great Grandfather, Frederick Fincher Starnes, including his roots back to Germany and his many business ventures and land purchases over 6 counties in two states, North and South Carolina. Yet, I could never figure out why he claimed to have been born in Georgia.

It was clear who his father was, as he actually lived with Finch in his older days and beside him in younger. I knew his mother's name, as he named her in his marriage license, though she was long dead before 1850. I knew his younger half siblings were the offspring of his father, Fred Jr.'s, second marriage to Elizabeth Thompson, so the origins of Finches mother, Sarah, was a mystery, until this distant cousin, who should write a book, broke down the wall. 

Sarah Fincher, daughter of Rev. William Fincher, had married Frederick Starnes, son of Frederick Starnes, son of John Starnes, son of, you guessed it, another Frederick Starnes. One, possibly two, sons, were born of this union. 

Below is the obituary for Rev. William Fincher, and explains exactly why Frederick Fincher Starnes was born in Georgia. 

                                  From The Southern Christian Advocate


In 1824, Rev. Fincher visited Monticella, Georgia, which was not his first trip to the land of Peaches. It appears most, if not all, of his large family accompanied him on the journey, including his married daughter, Sallie and son-in-law, Frederick Starnes. There was born Frederick Fincher Starnes, my third Great Grandfather, and this is why he always claimed to be born in Georgia. Finch grew up in what is now Union County, and as a young man in the 1850's, purchased land along the old Rocky River Road in the northernmost part of Lancaster County, South Carolina. His wife, Martha Louise Byram, grew up on the Union County side of the state line and they would live in Union before moving to Cabarrus County, where he would run a mill and own several large tracts of land, some of which crossed into Stanly County near Mission. They would join the old Rocky River Church and Martha and several of  their children are buried there. He would soon after marry the widow of his cousin John Starnes, son of Nathan T. Starnes, a lady named Abigail, who was anxious to join turn-of-the century Charlotte society, so they moved to Mecklenburg County in the Elizabeth section of Charlotte, where Finch would spend his last days. Finch had many business adventures, including investments in Albemarle, in Stanly County, and others, in conjunction with cousins in Asheville, NC, although he never lived there.

He was buried in Meadow Creek Primitive Baptist Church Cemetery near Locust, in Stanly County, NC, on one side of his second wife, Abby, while her third husband, a Misenheimer, is buried on her other side and her first husband, John Starnes, is buried a row in front of her. Abby had no children by any of her marriages.



Finches Grandfather, William Finchers, was born on March 30, 1865, in Rowan County, North Carolina. Some sources give his birthplace as Orange County, NC, and his family certainly did land there after arriving as many did, from Pennsylvania. However, I will go with Rowan as his obituary is the closest thing we have to a birth (and death) record for him and Rowan was pretty expansive in his day, and included present day Davidson County. 

Rev. Fincher recieved a land grant of 100 acres, entered March 8, 1792 and issued December 13, 1798, on Carraway Creek in Randolph County, NC, Book 99, Page 177.

Around 1780, he married Mary Jane Grace, from Everleigh, Wiltshire, England, who had migrated from the UK to Pennsylvania at about 15. She was the daughter of  John Grace and wife Sarah Deare Grace. The marriage recorded in 'Hillsborough, Randolph County'. Their first son, Rev. John Finche, was born in 1784. Mary Jane Grace was Sarah Fincher Starnes' mother and my fifth Great Grandmother.

William Fincher first appears in census records in 1800, in Salisbury, Mecklenburg, and by this time has already aquired a large family with his young bride. It records a household of 11 people, and only 2 over 25. That was a large group of children. 



Name:Wm Fincher
Residence Date:6 Aug 1810
Residence Place:Capt Hoods, Mecklenburg, North Carolina, USA
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10:3
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 15:1
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25:1
Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44:1
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10:2
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15:1
Free White Persons - Females - 16 thru 25:1
Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44:1
Number of Household Members Under 16:7
Number of Household Members Over 25:2
Number of Household Members:11

By 1810, Rev. Fincher is listed in Captain Hoods section of Mecklenburg County and his family is again, a total of 11 people, with one man and one woman between 25 and 44, some of his older children have moved on and there are 5, 3 boys and 2 girls, under 10.

The 1820 and 1830 census records both found Rev. William Fincher in Mecklenburg County. 

The Fincher family has been very well traced and while Williams grandparents are fairly acertained, the matter of which of two brothers was his father seems to be a bit of a conumdrum. I  will be looking into that further, but he was definately of the line of a Jonathan Fincher, born in Chester County, Pennsylvania, who died in Orange County, North Carolina around 1757. Although Rev. William Fincher was a Methodist Minister, his family origins were Quaker. 

"Francis Fincher, a Quaker from England, arrived at Philladelphia, PA on July 28, 1683 aboard the ship, 'Bristol Comfort' accompanied by his wife Mary (Achelley) Fincher, his small children and servants."  from: "A History and Genealogy of the Miller Family and Allied Families", by Thelma Kay Miller, 1989.

One of those small children of Francis Fincher was named John, who married a Martha Taylor. John's will is found in Chester County, PA. John and Martha Taylor Fincher had a son named Jonathan, who married Deborah Dix, or Dicks. He was the one who migrated to North Carolina and his will is found in Orange County. 

Among Jonathans eight children are found a Jonathan II and a Benjamin. These are the two sons wherein there is a controversy. Jonathan II is found in the 1790 census of Mecklenburg County, NC, while Benjamin settled in Randolph County. Both had sons named William. Some mix them up and claim our Rev. William the son of Benjamin, because he married Mary Jane Grace in Randolph County. However, I am of the belief that our William is the son of Jonathan Jr. There's about a 9 year age difference in the cousin Williams, with my William being born in 1765 and the other William being born in 1774. One is found in the 1800 census of  'Salisbury, Mecklenburg' and the other in Randolph County. As mine was born in Salisbury, it makes more sense to me that he is not the Randolph one. Cousin William moved to Ohio with his brother, Lemuel and died in Indiana in 1841. My thoughts lean towards my Rev. William Fincher being the son of Jonathan II and wife Shirley Wilcox.


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Rev. Fincher, as a minister, was known to have travled often. Sometimes his family joined him, other times they did not, or a combination of both, some stayed and some traveled.  I believe this may have been what occurred when it was reported that Mrs William Fincher, (Mary Jane Grace Fincher), had passed away in Spartanburg, South Carolina in 1825, in her 62nd year of life. (Upstate Death Notices in The Charleston Courier, Vol 17 No 1. PHSQ, Upper South Carolina Genealogy and History). 




On November 28, 1840, Rev. William Fincher would marry his second wife, Nancy Skipper, in Mecklenburg County, North Carolina. She would become his widow in 1845. Nancy had been born a Henson or Hinson in 1810, in Anson County, North Carolina, so considerably younger than William. She was the daughter of Charles King Hinson III and wife Frances Stewart or Steward. She had married first to a Hiram Skipper and had a number of children with him. She was a widow when she married Rev. Fincher. One known child was born to this union, a son,  Wilson, who is shown with her as a small child in the 1850 census, and who does not appear to have made it to adulthood. Nancy Hinson Skipper Fincher passed away in 1890.

Nancy Hinson Skipper Fincher from Find-A-Grave. 




The Southern Christian Advocate had given Rev. William Fincher a glowing obituary, naming many of the churches he ministered to, and some he helped found, throughout the Carolinas and Georgia. Among these was the church at Monticello, Georgia, where he was given in payment, seventy dollars and a horse. Here was where his grandson, Frederick Fincher Starnes was born. 


The known children I have for Rev. William Fincher and his first wife, Mary Jane Grace Fincher are:

1) Rev. John Fincher born 28 Jan 1782 Mecklenburg County, NC, died 4 Oct. 1844 Union County, NC.
    Married first Catherine Eller, second Lydia McCullough. Five children: Eliza, Silas A. James E., Lydia M.,          Permelia.

2) Mary Grace (sometimes seen as Mary Jane) Fincher (1784 Meck. N.C. - 1840 Georgia).
    Married cousin, Josiah Fincher, son of James (1761-1835) Fincher and Diodema McClendon Fincer.
    Nine children: Joshua, Elizabeth, Jonathan, Joel, Harriett, Sarah, Jemima, Mary, Frances J.

3) Elijah or Elisha Fincher (1785 - 1805 birthyears given, death - between 1870 and 1880) Died in Union County, NC. Married Melinda (Meloney) Paxton. Eight children: Elizabeth Jane, David Robert, Samuel Newton, Margaret, Nancy, Anna, Susan, William Thomas (aka Sonny).

4) Unknown daughter

5) Benjamin (1790 - 1855 Mecklenburg County, NC) Married Elizabeth McRaven or McCraven.
    Nine children: Eliza, Milas Robinson, Nancy C., James Alva, John N., Benjamin F., William P.,. Janie Adaline, Joseph C..

6) Jane (1792-1875 Union County, NC) Never married.

7) Unknown son (b abt 1795 - d bef 1830) Left widow, Nancy (possibly Winchester) b 1795, who is alone with small children in the 1830 and 1840 census and remarries to Henry Wolfe of Pennsylvania in 1841. At least 3 possible children shown in early census records for Nancy.

8) Levi Nelson (1798-1858) Levi Nelson Fincher had the wanderlust. He ventured through Tennesee, Kansas and out to California before settleing in Missouri, where he died in 1858. Married to Mary Wilson, 9 children:
McCamy, Nancy M., Isabelle, Elizabeth, Phoebe, Martha, Susan, Levi N. III, William H. 

9) Unknown daughter

10) William Jr. (1804 - 1879) Died in Georgia. Married Elizabeth . Five childreh: Bethiah Abney, William C. C., Thomas A. C., daughter A.L. W. , Nancy J. Married Cynthia, son Henry Hawes.

11) Sarah "Sallie" Fincher (1805-1834) Married Frederick Starnes (Jr. or IV) son of Frederick Sr., son of  Captain John Starnes. Five children: John Grace Starnes, William Wilkens Starnes, Mary Grace Starnes, Frederick Fincher Starnes, Turza Shirley "Turzy" Starnes.

12) Rev. Silas Jordan Fincher (1812 Mecklenburg - August 29, 1880 Chesterfield, South Carolina.
      Married 1st: S. B. Starnes (perhaps a sister of Frederick Starnes who married Sarah) 1809-1850.
      Nine children: Ellen Howard, Levi Jordan, William S., Mary Polly, Martha Jane, Julia Elizabeth, Silas Alva, Alpheus.
    Married 2nd: Elizabeth Blount. One child: Margaret Eugenia.
    Married 3rd:  Margaret Ellen Barnes: Eight children: John T., Hugh Mc., Sarah Ann, James Elias, Susan Rebecca, Charles Coppage, Fannie, Lillian Cornelia, Henrietta.

13) Hillard Judge ( 1815- 1869 Sumter County, Alabama) Married Ruth Elmira Steele, 4 children:
       Hiram Steele, Nancy C., Elijah, Lucinda Jane.

14) Leroy Burton (1823-1897 Buford, Union County, NC) Married 3 times.
      Married 1st: Polly Starnes  Three sons: John Milburn, James Andrew, Leroy Burton II.
      Married 2nd: Martha Starnes: Five children: Sarah Estelle, Terza Kassandra, Rachel, Martha J., Lloyd L. 
      Married 3rd" Clarissa Richardson. Seven children: Silas Alfred, Mary Caroline,  Julius Green, Tirzah Broom, Loid, Infant Son and Lee. 
       Any relationship between Polly Starnes and Martha Starnes is unknown to me thus far. There was a considerable age difference between the two. Martha may have been a widow. Any relationship between them and Frederick Starnes unknown, relationship of some kind not only possible, but probable. 

15) Only child by Nancy Skipper son, Wilson b 1845 died unknown, before 1860 possibly.

Thrulines connects me genetically to many descendants of Mary, John, Benjamin, Silas Jordan, Levi Nelson, Leroy Burton and Hilliard Judge Fincher. Still waiting on connections to William Jr., Elijah and Nancy (widow of unknown) and looking for missing sisters of my Sarah. 







Sunday, May 17, 2020

30 Mothers in 30 Days: Sally

My 3rd Great Grandfather left me one clue on who his mother was in the marriage certificate of his second marriage to Abigail Furr Starnes, widow of his cousin, John Starnes. He named his parents as "Fred and Sally".

Frederick F Starnes marriage to Mrs John Starnes, Mecklenburg Times (Charlotte, North Carolina)07 Jun 1894, Thu Page 4

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Mecklenburg Times
Charlotte, North Carolina
07 Jun 1894, Thu  •  Page 4




I already knew who his father was, as they lived side by side for 3 decades, 1860,1870 and 1880, even after the move from Union County to Cabarrus. His father, Frederick Starnes, one in a sea of Frederick Starnes in a decent from our original German immigrant, Frederick Sternes, had married an Elizabeth Thompson, much to young to be the mother of my Fincher Starnes, who went by "F. F. " most of the time. And she wasn't a Sally.


JASPER COUNTY GA– | Georgia in the Great Depression
Abandoned Plantation House in Monticello, Jaspar County, Georgia


Another few things that puzzled me about Finch was that the censuses stated he was born in Georgia. His father was born in the section of Mecklenburg County that became one half of Union County, "Starnes Country", so why would they say that Finch was born in Georgia. The second thing that had me perplexed was that he was no where to be found in the 1850 census, but I knew from his Civil War records and one land record that at that time, as a young man, he had property on the Rocky River Road, just across the state line into Lancaster County, SC.


The following link was part of my pondering about Finch. Providence.

After writing that post, I came across a distant Starnes cousin named John Fields, (his Christian name), who is a walking history book. He is also an utmost expert on anything Starnes or Sternes.
And he had all the answers. Finch's mother was one Sarah "Sally" Fincher.

The daughter of a minister, Rev. William Starnes, she had several brothers who were also ministers. It is with the minister, whose obituary is to follow, that is all made sense.

Frederick Fincher Starnes was born on August 20, 1828. It was during this time that his grandfather, Rev. William Fincher was in Georgia, preaching in the Monticello circuit. Frederick Sr. and Sally must have accompanied her father to Georgia during this time.


OLD MAPS OF GEORGIA AND JASPER COUNTY



According to the 1830 census, it looks like Fred and Sally had 5 children, 3 sons and 2 daughters.
The only one known is Frederick Fincher Starnes. His first child with Elizabeth was born in 1836 and he married Elizabeth Jane "Bettie" Thompson about 1835, so this was Sallie Fincher Starnes in the 1830 census.



Name:Fredrick Starns
Home in 1830 (City, County, State):Mecklenburg, North Carolina
Free White Persons - Males - Under 5:1 Frederick Fincher  (b 1828)
Free White Persons - Males - 5 thru 9:2  Unknown
Free White Persons - Males - 30 thru 39:1  Fred IV
Free White Persons - Females - Under 5:2 Unknown
Free White Persons - Females - 20 thru 29:1 Sarah  
Free White Persons - Under 20:5
Free White Persons - 20 thru 49:2
Total Free White Persons:7
Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored):7




Some of them may have died, but all of them but Finch? I hope not. Who were they? This was in Mecklenburg because Union hadn't been formed yet.


After finding out about Sarah's family, it only makes sense. There were several Starnes/Fincher marriages.

Her brother, Rev. Silas Jordan Fincher, had first married a lady known only as "S. B. Starnes." What did S. B. stand for? The most popular S names for girls of the day were Sarah and Sussannah, but there was also Sabra, Samara, Samantha, and several less seen others. B, with their German roots, many have been Barbara, but we don't know. She could have been a sister of Fred, Frederick Fincher Starnes' father.





Her younger brother, Leroy Burton Fincher married 3 Starnes women, Polly, Martha and Clarrissa, as is written in his Family Bible. Clarrissa was a Starnes widow, born a Richardson, as she is mentioned in the will of her father, Kendrick Richardson. Some family trees have tried to merge Martha and Clarrissa into one person. However, you can clearly see by his Family Bible, that he married Martha C. Starnes on Sunday, March 20, 1853 and he married Mrs. Clarrissa Starnes on Sunday, September 3, 1865.


Most Mecklenburg County (Union included) Finchers are descended from a man named Jonathan Fincher, born about 1704 who settled in Chester County, Pennsylvania. He, or his family, were from England. As a note, Chester County is where I was born. He moved to Orange County, North Carolina by 1755 and died just two years later. His Will is dated 20 March 1757.

This Jonathan was married twice, first to Deborah Dix/Dicks and had two sons, Joshua and Jonathan Jr. His second wife was Jane Busby by whom he had 5 children: Mary, Richard, Joseph, Hannah and Benjamin.

My line is from first wife, Deborah, as Jonathan Fincher, Jr. was the father of our Rev. William.

Rev. William Fincher was born on March 30, 1765 in Rowan County. His father patented land there near his birth, but did not remain. They settled in Eastern Mecklenburg, the portion that would be combined with the western portion of Anson County to form Union in 1842. They lived near the North Carolina/South Carolina border, near the territory of the Cheraw Indians, known as "Indian Land".





The above map shows the general area of where the Finchers settled.

Rev. Williams Fincher's mother was Shirley Marie Wilcox, daughter of John  Wilcox and wife, Sarah John Boone Wilcox, who migrated from Chester County, PA to Kentucky.

Rev. William would marry 3 times. The last two times were later in life, after the birth of his children, so all of his children were by first wife, Mary Grace. His second wife was Elizabeth Calloway and his third was Nancy Skipper.

Mary Grace had been born on April 10, 1763, in Everleigh, Wiltshire, England, making her my 5th Great Grandmother. I actually know a little bit more about her and my 6th Great Grandmother, Shirley Marie Wilcox, William's mother, than I do about poor Sarah Fincher, who died young.



King Alfred's Statue - Visit Pewsey Vale
King Alfred's Statue in the Vale of Pewsey


Mary Grace was the daughter of John Grace and Sarah Deare. Somehow, those names sound so beautiful to me.

Sarah Deare was baptized in Llantwit, Major, Glamorgan, Wales, daughter of John and Mary. She married John Grace on May 27, 1753, in Pewsey, Wiltshire, England. John was from Wiltshire.

Uk England Wiltshire Vale Of Pewsey White Horse Cut Into Chalk On ...

The 'Vale of Pewsey' is a beautiful area, full of ancient, thatched roof cottages and home of  the "White Horse of Pewsey", one of the Wiltshire White Horses, figures of horses carved into white chalk hills. Below is an article on the White Horses of Wiltshire.


Wiltshire's White Horses

So Mary Grace Fincher is one of my immigrant ancestors, perhaps my most recent one. My roots go waaayyy back into the American diasphora. I had ancestors living in the same general area where I currently live, long before Mary Grace Fincher arrived in America.

Rev. William Fincher and wife Mary Grace Fincher would raise a family of 12 children. The name of one daughter, born in Mecklenburg County, NC and who died in 1840 in Fayette County, Georgia, is yet unknown.

1784 - bef. 1844 Mary Jane Fincher
1785 - bef  1844 Rev. John Fincher
1787 - bef  1844 Elijah Fincher
1790-1844 Benjamin Fincher
1792-1875 Jane Fincher
1798-1858 Levi Fincher
1802-1840 Daughter Fincher
1804-1880 William Fincher Jr.
1805 - bef 1834 Sarah "Sallie" Fincher
1812-1880 Silas Jordan Fincher
1815-1869 Hillard Judge Fincher
1823-1897 Leroy Burton Fincher

Please remember, some of these years of birth are "appoximate" and could have differed a number of years. On the older children, their exact date of birth is unknown.

With the union of the English/Welsh Sarah Fincher and the German-descended Frederick Starnes IV, two lines of decent came together to form my very American ancestor, Frederick Fincher Starnes.

I don't know exactly when or where Sarah died and was buried. Most likely somewhere in Union County. I just know it was before Fred would marry Betty Thompson, and their first child came in 1836.

Happy Mothers Day Sarah Fincher. I am so glad to know who you are.


Addendum: I forgot the best part. In the Thru -Lines feature on ancestry.com, adding in an unknown female ancestor and having matches is not going to mean anything. That couple is your biological ancestors, and you've already added the man, you are going to match the wife, whatever name you put in. However, when you add her parents, and you match multiple descendants of 9 out of her 10 siblings (the 10th died young without children), then you are on to something. You can be pretty confident you've got it right.



This was so wide, I can't get it the whole thing in one shot, but this is what has happened since I added Sarah Fincher as my ancestor a few months ago. I'm a DNA match to 3 descendants of her brother, Rev. John Fincher, 8 from her sister Martha Fincher, 7 from her brother Benjamin Franklin Fincher, 4 from her brother  William Fincher Jr., 8 from Rev. Silas Jordan Fincher and 17 from her youngest brother, Leroy Burton Fincher.

And the beauty of it is, the more people who make it this far in their family tree and figure out that they are descendants of this family who have taken dna tests on ancestry, the more matches there will be. Thank you John Fields, you are amazing.